shortly after the election, according, again, to my sources, clinton sent obama a list of five names from which he could choose the next chairman of the democratic national convention. lou: a list from clinton to the president? >> all his guys, or in some cases, his women. lou: do you know who's on the list? >> i don't know the names on the list, but the people on the list, i'm told, were completelyignored -- completely ignored, and clinton learned that none of his people were even vetted or given serious consideration. clinton then learned, as we all did, that barack obama had reid appointed, wasserman-s crarks hulz, his woman, his lady, to the chair of the democratic national committee. what did he do? clinton phoned the president wants to complain about this and speak to the white house. speak to the president. the white house did not put his call through, and he never heard from the president for 24 hours. lou: i love the way you constructed that. the white house didn't put the call through. you didn't say the president declinedded to take the call. >> finally got a call, and an